Conversation with Lucifer

Part 6. Heaven and Hell. Paths to Infinity

Tell me about the concepts we have about you. Heaven and hell—what are they?

A form of perception or creation of the World. What are heaven and hell in your understanding?

Hell is a place where the Souls of the dead end up if they have si

We have already discussed what "sin" is—it's the irrational use of Divine energy. Irrational in the sense that it does not contribute to Movement and Change. Try to move away, at least for a while, from ethical constructs and think from the perspective of energetic processes.

So, if a person uses Divine Energy irrationally, what happens?

You are islands of Divine Energy. And to create a system of input and output valves, you have a chakra system. Each chakra regulates a kind of pressure in the energetic processes happening within your island of perception. But most of your energy simply circulates within you. It ca

Where did the concept of hell come from? From human ideas about it.

What is punishment?

Everything is a Reflection of Divine Light. And as a reflection, it ca

Which color in the rainbow is correct, and which is not? Everything is countless Glints observed by God. And, as you’ve already realized, He has no preferences. Every newly created Glint is amazing in its diversity.

So why would God punish someone, and for what, if to Him everything is His Reflection? This means that all existing Reflections are equal or equally interesting and acceptable since they are He Himself.

Punishment does not exist. Or, more simply, it exists in your minds.

Look. A child does something that his parents don't like. And they tell him: this is bad. In turn, they were taught this by their parents, and so on. Gradually, a person forms the concept of "bad and good." In the same way, you formed the concept of hell and heaven.

So, you mean to say that neither hell nor heaven exists?

Everything exists that you believe in. If you believe that in hell devils fry si

So, there are many worlds and spaces created by the faith and thoughts of people, including heaven and hell?

More accurately: numerous variations of spaces that you call heaven and hell. And each person has their own.

Where does the Soul of a person go after the physical body dies?

To where it expects to go. Whoever is certain that they will simply dissolve in pure Light does exactly that. Whoever is certain that they will start traveling through numerous worlds does just that. Whoever is certain that they will go to heaven ends up there, according to their own ideas of heaven.

And where do the Souls of atheists go? Those who don't believe in heaven, hell, or God?

To the place they believe in. If a person believes that beyond the threshold of death there is nothingness, then they end up in that nothingness. Everything is the Prism of Reflection.

But aren't we taught that after death, the Soul is met by Teachers and Angels? And they review our completed lessons with us. Then we wait for a new incarnation to correct our mistakes.

You keep returning to the concepts of "right and wrong."

What is a mistake? What reflection of God can be called mistaken?

So, are Angels and Teachers wrong?

Everyone creates the world they believe in. Including Angels and Teachers. Everyone creates within themselves. Everything is similar. And each describes their own world to you.

And you? And I, as a part of you. And you, as a part of me. If a person's Soul after death ends up in the world they created with their beliefs, how long do they stay there?

You'd be surprised, but exactly as long as they choose. Until they decide they have had enough of that experience. For example, until they feel they have atoned for their sins in hell. Or they get bored in heaven. Or they want to return to the physical world again.

If we follow this concept, does it mean that the Soul can return to the physical world without being an infant? Why then do we come into the physical world in that way?

Why do you think it's only that way? There are many worlds of different densities, and many can be accessed just by the power of thought.

Why then did all the people on our planet come through birth?

Not all. But the majority did, because they chose this. They chose to go through all the stages: to be a child, an adolescent, an adult, and old.

They chose to be old?

Yes. Why does that surprise you? Some of you didn't choose old age but chose to leave this world in another way, through u

Are you saying that suicides choose their death in advance?

You define the important points of your journey. Death, or transitioning to another density, is one of those points.

So, all suicides chose this type of death in advance? Not all, but most. Why? It's better to ask them. Everything is experience. But we have a belief that the Souls of suicides go to hell or some other terrible place after death.

If they fear going to hell, then they go there. All terrible worlds are created by you.

There are many works describing hell and heaven. Dante, Daniil Andreev, church representations… Are you saying that all of this is fantasy?

Yes. Or imposed perception. They are similar, after all. Let's say, Dante's descriptions are very similar to the church representations of the time when the Divine Comedy was written.

As for Daniil Andreev, it's a very interesting form of Light refraction. You see, the refraction of Divine Light happens constantly. And, after physical death, when the Soul is in subtle worlds, it also constantly refracts the Light and perceives these worlds through its prism of perception. Daniil Andreev simply remembered and described his posthumous experience of perception.

So, he created all those levels he describes himself?

Exactly. And anyone can reach these levels if they believe in them and choose to do so.

But if I choose an already created world, am I still creating?

Yes. Because the world you create will still differ from the one you chose. You are the Prism of Reflection. In this case, you create by reflecting already reflected and structured Light.

Then what is the expulsion from Paradise? And the Tree of Knowledge and the Tempting Serpent?

Let’s delve into the concept of knowledge. What can one come to know? What does it mean to "come to know"? It means "to know afterward," after something already exists. You may know that you are the Creator of realities. But to "come to know" this reality, you can only do so after its creation.

Knowledge is the process of perceiving the realities that you yourself have created.

But what is perception? It is a reflection. Therefore, the knowledge of a reality created by you is also your reflection. Every time you come to know something, you change that something, that is—you reflect it.

It’s like a mirror world of sorts. If that’s the case, then I understand why the Universe is infinite. If every Being reflects already created realities anew every moment and creates, imagines new ones, then there can be no boundaries.

Boundaries are an illusion. There is only one boundary—the part of you where you touch God.

Heaven and hell exist in your imagination. And you can expel yourself from it only by your own will.

According to the legend, before Adam and Eve gained certain knowledge by tasting the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, they lived in paradise. But after tasting it, they realized they were naked, and God expelled them from paradise for their disobedience.

Of course, this is an allegory. Adam and Eve gained the right to choose. They learned that everything depends on their choice, and they chose to leave the place called paradise. But they forgot the way back. And now they are searching for the path of return.

Then who is the devil? Does he exist?

Everything that you believe in exists. People believed so strongly in the existence of the devil that he came into being. As a reflection of the Reflection of Divine Light in those who believe in him.

If I don’t believe in you, then you don’t exist?

Yes, in your reality, I will not exist, and I will not speak to you if you believe that I do not exist. You don’t believe in the existence of the devil, so in your reality, he doesn’t exist.

Where did such concepts as the Devil and Satan come from?

It’s difficult for a person to believe that the source of their troubles is themselves. And if you consider your centuries-old religious upbringing, for some of you, the devil is quite a real phenomenon.

There is nothing around you except God. And everything that exists in your life is a brilliantly created script for you, involving various actors and extras. They all appear in your life by your call and by your choice. The process of creation is so intricate that sometimes some of you manage to create phantasmagorical scenes. They create the image of the devil, worship him, and make sacrifices to him.

But there was a time when sacrifices were made to gods as well. You choose idols for yourselves on whom you place responsibility for your decisions and creations.

Why are you considered the source of all human misfortunes?

Because, to some extent, I am indeed the source of your misfortunes. Because I initiated the separation from God and showed you the way to create and be free in your choice of creation. And each of you has used this opportunity in your own way.

Do you think the experiment was successful?

There are no unsuccessful experiments. An experiment can only be unsuccessful if you expect a certain result, and it doesn’t happen. In this case, the result was unpredictable.

Do you like the result?

These are human concepts. How can someone prefer the color red over green? Do you like that there is sky, water, earth, and fire? That there is morning and evening, day and night? They simply exist. Do you like the reflections of trees in the water more than the trees themselves? This is a meaningless question.

But this experiment has brought so much evil—wars, violence, murder, and much more.

Evil is simply the choice of a path. Why don't you say that this experiment has brought a lot of good? Haven't there been beautiful moments in the history of humanity's development? The experiment is an opportunity for each part of God to create independently. Many of your creations are astonishing and beautiful.

Are you proud of your creations?